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Mr 海外华侨 Please help, need your advice

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发表于 2008-9-24 22:48:55 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

您好﹗I have a big problem, hope you can help. I was actually practicing up till the 4th step, however I have gastric problems. After looking at some of the replies you gave to some of the people, your advise was to practice the 1st step 1st until the stomach becomes better and the 2nd step will automatically be completed.

Hence, I went back to practicing the 1st step﹐我的練法是一開始呼氣就輕輕的想心窩部。But after a few days, my stomach area started getting very warm, and I feel a little uncomfortable, the area would feel warm even when I’m not meditating. So subsequently, I meditated without putting any 意念。But the next few days, I had diarrhea and had a constant urge to defecate.

What should I do now? Should I continue with the 1st step or move on to the 2nd step? Why is it that when I meditate without any 意念, I would feel worse the next day? please reply me in chinese, thank you.

发表于 2008-9-28 20:34:32 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用yue123_sg在2008-9-26 22:32:58的发言:
OK, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. I didn't just started this meditation technique, I practised for almost 2 years.

Initially I practised until I reached the 3rd and 4th step, building qi in the dantian. Then I started feeling the qi pressing on my back of my head. However during this time, I experience diarrhoea problems, it persisted for a very long time, for a few months. It was during this time that I concentrated on "bai hui", hoping that the qi would move up, but it didn't and continue to be stuck at the back of my head.

And I also had gastric problems, so I thought I didn't practise my 1st step well enough, after seeing some posts by Mr. 海外华侨, his advice for people with stomach problems was to practise the 1st step through thoroughly, so I restarted and went back to practise the 1st step....

My urge to defecate doesn't happen when I'm practising, it only happens the next day. As for my diet, I eat only rice and dishes, mostly fish soup and vegetables, I stopped taking fruits.

I know meditation is good for the digestive system, that's why I don't understand why is it the more I practise, the worse my bowel movements become? 而且我的入靜程度很好
, which makes it more puzzling, I'm suppose to get better, but I'm getting worse even after practising for such a long time and putting in at least 2 hours of practice a day.

Once again, I thank you for your replies, you have been most patient. I'm thinking of stopping this meditation all together, but as I said before, the tightness on the back of my head, doesn't go away....

你现在的问题有两个:

1、止住腹泻;

2、让脑袋上的气顺利下来。

对于1,上面已经说过,这要分清原因,采取不同手段;

对于2,我上面一个帖子说过“不能轻易地守百会,不然会出问题”;通督后才可以守百会; 你现在还处于第二步,到第四步通督后,加紧练习,使真气顺利从头顶下来,这个问题也就解决了。

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发表于 2008-9-25 08:56:48 | 显示全部楼层

zhenqi is adjusting your intestine ,must practise more time .

and the accurate method is : go with exhale ,意念 move down your 2th' line.

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发表于 2008-9-25 12:40:52 | 显示全部楼层

Do not scare yourself by exaggerated false feeling, in fact, there is nothing serious.

"After looking at some of the replies you gave to some of the people, your advise was to practice the 1st step 1st until the stomach becomes better and the 2nd step will automatically be completed." In fact,you should not stepped backward but go ahead.

你要求“reply me in chinese”,拉肚子可能是练功反应,也可能不是,你要找出真正原因;

待拉肚子恢复正常,心窝部(参照置顶帖子--心窝部的位置,一定不要搞错!),感觉稳定,可接着练第二步。

Good luck to you!

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发表于 2008-9-25 13:26:08 | 显示全部楼层
Since will be the overseas Chinese should use the national language! Why has to use English??
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发表于 2008-9-25 18:05:15 | 显示全部楼层
楼主估计懂一定中文,能看懂,但打字可能有困难,我们就体谅体谅吧:)
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-9-25 19:08:32 | 显示全部楼层
Yes, you are right. I'm having trouble typing fast using chinese software. I'm from Singapore by the way, here we are bilingual. I requested a reply in chinese because since this meditation technique was written in chinese, it's best to understand it in the original language.

Mr Hero, you said.
拉肚子可能是练功反应,也可能不是,你要找出真正原因
I have been practising for almost 2 years and I had on and off diarrhoea. I had long suspected that it was because my 1st step was not done properly, but I was not sure so i went back to practicing the 1st step. I did that because I saw Mr. 海外华侨 giving replies to other people with stomach problems. His advice was to practise just the 1st step, when the 1st step completes itself, the 2nd step will be completed as well. Mr. 海外华侨 added that if people with stomach problems move on to practise the 2nd step, there might be other problems occuring.

Mr Hero, you mentioned that this is nothing serious, however I beg to differ, because the diarrhoea problems I'm having is affecting my life and it only started after I started this mediatation. The worst thing is I know exactly where the position of the 心窝部 is and where the dan tian is, because I have had sensations in those areas. And my breathing is natural and not exaggerated, my 意念 is also very very light. Hence I do not understand why I am having such persistent problems.

And Mr. 王路斌, if you do not have anything contructive to say, I appreciate if you keep your comments to yourself, and not jump to conclusions.

Can Mr 海外华侨, please answer my queries?

I thank you for your reply, Mr Hero.
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发表于 2008-9-26 13:13:36 | 显示全部楼层

1、您认为您拉肚子可能是练功引起,

如果是练功反应,那么时间较短、次数较少,不可能那么长时间也不好;

如果是练功反应,反应过后,病症会减轻并很快治愈;但是您的症状好像不是练功反应;那么您应该考虑饮食或其他原有肠胃毛病;

如果您不确定,那可以试着停功几次,观察一下,看看有否改变?

2、五步功法,一、二步为第三步打基础,

如果感觉较弱,可以多练一些时间,多练几次;

如果感觉真实可靠,应该一鼓作气,接着往下练,而不要返回一、二步,原地踏步,效率和感觉都会打折扣;

3、The folowing linkage is the right position of “心窝部” and “下丹田”, only for your reference:http://www.zqyxf.com/zfbbs/images/renmai01.gif

Wish you can defeat your stomach disease and get full success!

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-9-26 19:34:39 | 显示全部楼层
I have tried stopping meditation for one month and my diarrhoea was gone. But the qi continued to press against the back of my head even when I'm just reading my book. The qi at the back of my head keeps throbbing simultaneously with my breathing.

I know the method is to concentrate on my "bai hui", so that the qi will pass through. But I have tried doing that, it didn't work.

So I'm stuck between the 2 things,if I stop practising, the qi still continues to press on the back of my head, on the point of "yu zheng" i.e jade pillow. However, If I start practising, the diarrhoea comes back.

What can I do now? Even if I stop meditating, the qi at the back of my head will never disperse itself, I have to endure the discomfort everyday.

Thank you for your advice.
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发表于 2008-9-26 20:55:57 | 显示全部楼层

“the method is to concentrate on my "bai hui"”,Totally Wrong!

通督之前,需要常守下丹田,你刚练一、二步,岂能轻易地守百会?这样很容易出问题!

你的拉肚子症状我还不太清楚,是一练功便有便意(Want to go to the toilet),大便稀不稀?如果大便不稀,那还只是你过于放松,以至于一练功便想上厕所,这就需要你不要过于放松,另外可作提肛运动(Pull the levator ani muscles)。

如果稀的话,你可以在饮食上作调整,另外可辅助食用“思密达(Smecta)”等非抗菌素药物调整排便,一旦大便成型(Stable stool),停药加强练功,总体而言,真气运行法对肠胃有好处,会帮助大便成型。

可能的话,你可以打我电话。

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-9-26 22:32:58 | 显示全部楼层
OK, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. I didn't just started this meditation technique, I practised for almost 2 years.

Initially I practised until I reached the 3rd and 4th step, building qi in the dantian. Then I started feeling the qi pressing on my back of my head. However during this time, I experience diarrhoea problems, it persisted for a very long time, for a few months. It was during this time that I concentrated on "bai hui", hoping that the qi would move up, but it didn't and continue to be stuck at the back of my head.

And I also had gastric problems, so I thought I didn't practise my 1st step well enough, after seeing some posts by Mr. 海外华侨, his advice for people with stomach problems was to practise the 1st step through thoroughly, so I restarted and went back to practise the 1st step....

My urge to defecate doesn't happen when I'm practising, it only happens the next day. As for my diet, I eat only rice and dishes, mostly fish soup and vegetables, I stopped taking fruits.

I know meditation is good for the digestive system, that's why I don't understand why is it the more I practise, the worse my bowel movements become? 而且我的入靜程度很好

, which makes it more puzzling, I'm suppose to get better, but I'm getting worse even after practising for such a long time and putting in at least 2 hours of practice a day.

Once again, I thank you for your replies, you have been most patient. I'm thinking of stopping this meditation all together, but as I said before, the tightness on the back of my head, doesn't go away....

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发表于 2008-9-28 10:20:37 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2008-9-29 12:30:38 | 显示全部楼层

不要放弃,您的毛病离治愈仅一步之遥,贵在坚持,困难过后,就是成功;

有句诗叫“无限风光在险峰”,您现在看到了险峰,相信马上就是领略风光的时候了!

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-4 21:50:31 | 显示全部楼层
Thank you for all your replies I really appreciate it. After practising the 1st step again, my diarrhoea has basically stopped. But I have a burning question:

大家好。我想問清楚關於第一步的練法。是一開始呼氣就想心窩部﹐還是呼氣呼到後半段才注意心窩?


But now even when I'm not meditating, my stomach feels very warm and uncomfortable. Should I go on to the 2nd step? My concentration is already very light, but my stomach still feels very warm and uncomfortable. Should I continue with the 1st step or should I move on?

Thank you again for your replies. You have been most kind.
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发表于 2008-10-5 14:08:42 | 显示全部楼层
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